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The other day, one of our favorite equestrians "Doc" stopped in to the Office to talk about  "Energy"
....Energy Star  Rated buildings
, that is. She wanted to explore how that might work for her horse barn construction project.   "Let me get you some  coffee while I bound up the stairs to the "Plaid Room" to gather some info on that, " I said, fearing that this might take a little while. 

 Like most real estate offices, we have a library. Ours, the "Plaid Room" (so named for the Tartan design that decorates the walls) is the well-stuffed repository where a wealth of information, the result of our research over the years, is filed --at random intervals.

Since we specialize in sustainable design in land and healthy living spaces, you can imagine we've collected a huge stack of leading edge information. And, the Plaid Room is not always neat.  In fact, I can't ever remember it being neat. "That's OK,"  I tell the crew. We love the idea of stewardship and so we are great collectors of pertinent information.  

We have file cabinets full of items. We have stacks of  brochures ready to file. We have piles of odds ‘n ends. In whatever form you find them, they await the eager 1031 Exchange property investor, the studious client interested in LEED certified building, the devoted horse lover, like Doc who has purchased land and set a good-piece aside in a land trust, and now is ready to build...starting with the stables.  

But back to  Doc, who by now was probably on a second cup of organic, shade-grown coffee and conversation with some  illustrious member of our Team. In record time, I've managed to unearth, from a stack of papers carefully planted beneath the potted Peace Lily, some potentially pertinent paperwork, although I am not sure how applicable it will be to horse barns.

" I'm going to drop a note to my Colleagues Tricia Jumonville and  Janie Coffey who may  know more about how this would work for stables, and email you,"  I tell Doc as I hand over the following trendy news.

 Energy Star Checklist (<- In-depth at this link. Short list, below)

  1. All Energy Star-qualified homes will be at least 15 percent more efficient than the State energy code.
  2. Each home will be required to have a thermal bypassinspection to make sure the home is properly air-sealed and insulated
  3. All insulation must be installed according to manufacturers' recommendations
  4. A protocol for downgrading the R-value (resistance to heat flow, which describes the capacity of insulation materials) of the insulation depending on the quality of the installation is now in place.Jeff G just wrote this post on R-Value.
  5. There are minimums for duct and envelope leakage, a big source of inefficiency.
  6. All cooling equipment is sized according to the Air Conditioning Contractors of Americas' Manual J.
  7. A copy of the cooling-load calculation must be submitted for each home.
  8. Now, only systems above a 13 SEER will receive points.
  9. The HERS index (Dena just wrote about that!) reflects energy usage instead of efficiency. So a score of 0 reflects a "zero energy home", and a score of 100 is a home built to the 2006 International Energy Code. An Energy Star home will fall in a similar scoring range, about 85 approximately 15 points and 15 percent above code.
  10. The EPA is developing an indoor-air quality package and offers an advanced lighting package for additional certification.
  11. All certified homes must comply with the new guidelines unless they were enrolled in a utility or state based efficiency program by Dec. 31, 2005.

 

                                                                Horse Farm. Asheville, NC Real Estate

You know, Doc did not look one bit
befuddled with all the SEER and HERS
and thermal bypass inspections
and such.     

Maybe you can tell
by the photo (to your right)
that she's the kind of person
who is careful about details.
She's aware that this all adds up to

  •  durability
  • performance
  • comfort
  • low utility bills in horse facilities ...
    and homes....

Do you suppose she'll choose an energy audit
for horse and home?

 

 Plaid graphic courtesy of Wikipedia.

 

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Please let me know if you have good stables/horse barn information.
Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) about 11 years ago

There was an agent in my office that specialized in horse/barn properties and she moved to your neck of the woods. If I know where she was I would give her a ring.  Sounds like another interesting project though.  Can you keep us posted on this one too?

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa, knitwit at thred UP (thredUP.com) about 11 years ago

Stephanie!

I love horse properties. I get to see all kinds of incredible places  and just as incredible stables and/or horse barns. One I saw recently even had HOT running water. The horse-lover who spends hours each day with her "babies" was about as proud of that hot water as she was of her uniquely designed chicken coop... 

anyway...sure..I will be happy to keep y'all in the loop.

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) about 11 years ago

JaneAnne, as a child my grandfather had a ranch property, so I am a country girl at heart.  That's why I love reading your posts.  I have not been around horses or cows since elementary school.  The photos you use are gorgeous!  I miss that atmosphere. 

Everytime I show barn property my clients are amazed.  "You mean there is a kitchen and quarters in a barn?"  Yup. The hearts of the owners of ranch property is usually as genuine as the day is long.  I can't wait to hear what happens.  I think it is a great idea.

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa, knitwit at thred UP (thredUP.com) about 11 years ago
I took horse back riding lessons when I was 7-8 yrs. old in Japan. And I rode a couple over here...I am so clueless although i am finding all this mighty interesting. Thanks for sharing. It gives a different aspect of the different kinds of passion and love people have.
Posted by Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman, (RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE (Liberty Homes) about 11 years ago

Steph~

Thanks for sharing your story about the ranch background and your Grandpa. Maybe there is something to "connecting" with nature that comes from our early child hood experiences. Probably, in fact. My Grandpa was a Grovesman. I grew up in his  citrus groves..right near where the "wee people" play (I'm smiling)...Those groves are now gone, replaced by miles and miles and miles of cookie-cutter homes. Possibly if the homes had been constructed with sustainable design in mind, I would not feel the loss of the groves and those childhood delights so much.

It makes me wonder...what do kids do for fun when trees leave?

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) about 11 years ago

Janeanne:

I dont know if this would work but how bout considering insulated concrete forms(ICF's) in the barn construction?

Posted by Bill Westel, ECO (Eco-Steward Realty) about 11 years ago

Sally & Everyone ~

JUST in case you decide you'd like to come for an equestrian vacation here in NC...here's a list "Doc" supplied for Y'All:

Vacation trail riding with your own horse:

Biltmore Saddle and Bridle
P.O. Box 15072
Asheville, NC 28813 (704) 274-6943
(704) 274-3757

Cane Creek Park
Union County Parks
5213 Harkey Rd.
Waxhaw, NC 28173
(704) 843-3919

Cedar Rock County Parks & Recreation Dept.
217 College St.
Graham, N.C. 27253
(910) 570-6760

Double D Equestrian Center
733 Egypt Church Road
Louisburg, NC
(919) 496-6564
http://www.doubledequestrian.com/

Doughton Park
District Ranger
49800 Blue Ridge Parkway
Laurel Springs, N.C. 28644
(910) 372-8568

Goldmine Trails
Wood, NC
(919) 853-0184

Howell Woods Environmental Learning Center
6601 Devil's Racetrack Rd.
Four Oaks, N.C. 27524
Ph: (919)938-0115

Latta Plantation Park
Rt. 3, Box 882
Huntersville, N.C. 28078
(704) 875-1391
(704) 875-0808

Leatherwood Mountains
512 Meadow Road
Ferguson, N.C. 28624
(336) 973-8392
(877) 736-8686
http://www.goleatherwood.com/

Love Valley
Love Valley, NC 28677
(704) 592-2024

Old College Farm Trail
504 South Dekalb St
Shelby, NC 28150
(704) 484-1731

Sauratown Trails
Rt. 1, Box 527
Pinnacle, N.C. 27143
Springmaid Mountain
Rt.3, Box 376
Spruce Pine, NC 28777
(704) 765-2353

Springmaid Mountain
Rt.3, Box 376
Spruce Pine, NC 28777
(704) 765-2353

Tanglewood Park
P.O. Box 1040
Clemmons, N.C. 27012
(910) 766-9540
(910) 766-0591

Triple JJJ Farms
1308 Durwood Evans Road
Beulaville, NC 28518
(910) 289-0889
(910) 285-4469

and yes...she's considering offering trail rides

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) about 11 years ago

Okay, here's the deal.  A horse barn is not a horse barn is not a horse barn. 

Down here in Texas (or, my part of Texas, anyway, Central Texas/Hill Country), you want the stalls to be big (12' x 12' minimum), the roof to be high, the aisles to be side (12' wide), and, preferably, you do NOT want it to be air-sealed.  In fact, it's best if there's a big old gap between the stalls and the roof all the way around to let the air flow through.  Remember, we're talking 11 month growing season here!  It rarely gets cold enough to be a problem for horses, and if you do, there's always blankets.  (And my Morgans, with Vermont breeding behind them, laugh at the weather - they'd prefer to be out in it all the time, no matter what, I know, I give them the option.  They LIKE it when the snow is piled on their back, not that they get the chance more than once a decade or so here.)

In Vermont, where they came from, you want air-sealed, you want stalls 10'x10' max, you want lower roofs to conserve the heat generated by the animals, and so forth and so on. 

So it's very climate-dependent. 

If you have an enclosed arena, the above might apply, but yo'd want to consider the dust factor in, as well, of course.  Interesting problem - I'm going to have to play with it. 

Hot water in the barn!  Wonderful!  (For the horses, not for me.) My dream is to have (if I ever have a "real" barn again) an on-demand hot water heater and a composting toilet in the barn.  Heaven!

 

Posted by Tricia Jumonville, Texas REALTOR , Agent With Horse Sense (Bradfield Properties) about 11 years ago

janeAnne, a few questions before I wrack my brain.... is the a BRAND new barn?  what kind of horses?  what discipline? How many horses?  what else will the barn have (tack, feed, laundry, etc. rooms), what else can you tell us and I will see what I can come up with and will this be both energy efficient and LEED certified at all?  Hope I can hlep!

 

Posted by Janie Coffey, Uniting Extraordinary Homes w/ Extraordinary Lives (First Coast Sotheby’s International Realty) about 11 years ago

janeAnne,   Actually, I'm quite surprised there's no information available on some type of LEED or SARE barn. There was a post on CBS barns for hurricane protection, would that be similar? http://activerain.com/blogsview/125803/Hurricane-Resistant-Barns-for

 

Posted by Gary Smith (Agent Marketing Today) about 11 years ago

Janie~

Yes. A Brand New Stables/Barn. 

As I understand it, the stables will shelter one Arabian, four Saddlebred, two Draft Horses...and (quite possibly) an ever-expanding number of rescued Percherons (be still my beating heart!!)..so figure 14+ horses..but you know how that goes... BTW, there is nice pasture land with shade trees on 57 AC w/stream... 

laundry,tack, etc all to be in the building.

If-you have ideas, let us know! And THX!!!

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) about 11 years ago

Gary~ 

That was Janie's (her comments are just above ours) post. This is just a fascinating subject for me. The idea of a sustainable, environmentally-friendly horse facility just really grabs my attention. It has me really doing some creating thinking...and research.

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) about 11 years ago

Wow, must really have been tired last night not to put two and two together. Thought Janies post had lots of good information

Posted by Gary Smith (Agent Marketing Today) about 11 years ago

jAnne, This was a very enjoyable read. The LEED is a wonderful organization. More power to them.

This post brought me back to my childhood in Boston, where I had my only experience with a horse barn. The EM Loew family had a 30 estate down the road from us in Milton with a good old horse barn, they had a daughter we played with at times, so  spent quite a bit of time in the horse barn. Believe it or not I loved the smell. Sadly the property was sold and developed into a townhouse community.

Ginger

Posted by Ginger Sala, Wilmington NC Real Estate & Relocation~ (Wilkinson & Associates, Wilmington NC) about 11 years ago

Ginger~

You are not the only one who loves the aroma of horses. One equestrian I know swears that when she holds her face next to the neck of her horse and smells that Horse aroma, she immediately feels that whatever might be wrong in the world can be right.

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) about 11 years ago
Back when I worked at a boarding stables to support my horse habit, when things were going really badly in my life, I would walk into the barn, close the doors, and just breathe - because it was as good as a tranquillizer, even better - as long as that smell was in the world, things would be okay. 
Posted by Tricia Jumonville, Texas REALTOR , Agent With Horse Sense (Bradfield Properties) about 11 years ago

Tricia~

First of all, thanks for the comment back up there a few with all that rally valuable information. Much appreciated. And then...I know what you mean about going into the barn and breathing. I  have heard this so often, especially among my women friends, that I am wondering if there is some "ether" that softens the rough edges of the day for us. . .(??)

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) about 11 years ago

Well, my husband thinks, looking at the effect that horses have on women and girls and, in particular, the effect the smell of horses has, that there's got to be some pheromone that horses put out that speaks to women and sooths us, sort of like the smell of babies does.  Can't say I think he's wrong!

 

Posted by Tricia Jumonville, Texas REALTOR , Agent With Horse Sense (Bradfield Properties) about 11 years ago

Tricia~

 

Your husband may have something there! I am going to look into it! Karen Head told me that she has a theory on this, too. C heck out her website!

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) about 11 years ago
UPDATE..Well I just heard by the grapevine that a horse-lover who is buying property here in Asheville will build a GREEN-BUILT barn on her land. I will let you know how this all pans out.
Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) almost 11 years ago

Hi JaneAnne, we are adding a new blog, www.GreenerHorse.com, it should be coming up very soon, keep your eye out!

 

 

Posted by Janie Coffey, Uniting Extraordinary Homes w/ Extraordinary Lives (First Coast Sotheby’s International Realty) over 10 years ago

Alternate energy is great to use when you have to pay 1500 for each pole for electricity to your barn when you are land-locked and it takes mannnnny poles.  Go solar and save money.

Posted by Debra Passero (Weichert Realtors - Ruffino Real Estate) over 9 years ago

JaneAnne - This is a very interesting concept.  I can see how this would work in the office/ tack room/ barn appartment.  It would be able to build those areas tighter with an eye toward energy conservation.  But in the part where the horses live, good ventilation is essential.  I had show horses for many years and they were totallly body clipped in the winter , but we still left the soffits open for ventilation.  If the barn is too tight horses can develop respiratory problems from the natural dust that every barn has from bedding and chaff from hay.                                                                                

Posted by Pam Dent, REALTOR® - Charlottesville Virginia Homes / Horse (Gayle Harvey Real Estate, Inc.) over 7 years ago

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