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inside the landslide

UPDATE:

Gather a dozen or so people for ideas on managing mountainside development, and they're likely to come up with a dozen or so different ideas.

The Land-of-Sky Regional Council found out as much  as a group of government planners, builders and landowners met for the second of five meetings on the issue.

State legislators and local governments have been wrestling with ideas for steep-slope development rules under pressure from the rapid pace at which builders are putting up homes on mountainsides...

 

Here's the full story

 

 

 

Yesterday, in Part 1  of this series,  I wrote about the consequences of ill-considered development and  what that could mean in terms of the fiduciary responsibility of the REALTOR®.  An example: Take a look at the photo to your left, courtesy of the NC Geological Survey  One of the consequences of ill-considered development  could be increased risk of landslides. According to the U.S. Department of the Interior,   This holds true no matter where you live.

"Landslides constitute a major geologic hazard because they are widespread, occur in all 50 states and U.S. territories, and cause $1-2 billion in damages and more than 25 fatalities on average each year. Expansion of urban and recreational developments into hillside areas leads to more people that are threatened by landslides each year. Landslides commonly occur in connection with other major natural disasters such as earthquakes, volcanoes, wildfires, and floods...."

Recent Landslides in the News

 U.S. and Canada

•·             Falling Boulder Crashes into Home, Eldorado Springs, Colorado (posted 05/03/2007)
•·             Landslide Blocks Interstate 29 in Iowa (posted 04/26/2007)
•·             Landslide in Kodiak, Alaska (posted 04/25/2007)
•·             Fatal Mill Valley, California Landslide - One Year Later (posted 04/13/2007)
•·             Homes Evacuated - Mission, British Columbia, Canada Landslide (posted 04/13/2007)
•·             Landslide Threatens Buildings in Streator, Illinois (posted 04/03/2007)
•·             Oregon Landslide of March 29, 2007 Caught on Video (posted 04/02/2007)
•·             Slide blocks access to Mount St. Helens visitor centers (posted 03/28/2007)
•·             Astoria, Oregon Landslide On the Move (posted 03/15/2007)
•·             Landslide Closes Road Between Sacramento, California and South Lake Tahoe (posted 03/01/2007)
•·             Landslide Causes Train Derailment in Pennsylvania (posted 01/08/2007)
•·             Heavy Rainfall Causes Flooding, Landslides in New York (posted 11/17/2006)
•·             Utah Debris Flow Forces Evacuations (posted 04/10/2006)

The photo above,s courtesy of the NC Geological Survey. shows the result of a rock slide  the Fire Department in Buncombe County (Asheville, N.C.) dealt with not long ago .According to the team, this slide " caused severe damage [and] ...Water infiltrating along these planes probably triggered the rockslide."

In another article I wrote..."In the past two years, 120+ landslides occurred in western North Carolina [alone], claiming five lives and destroying 27 homes.

Given such in-your-face stats, I've been wondering about what's happening in the other States, and venturing on over to the U.S. Geological Survey for more resource info.I found In Your Backyard and went a little deeper to  find real-time information ...

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Comments

We don't get landslides in Florida-just hurricanes, tornadoes and sink holes. The only problem we have in regards to people being improperly advised would be when they try to build on wetlands. But the only ones who make any headway at all into these types of projects are the large corporations who have the money to try to bully the governing authorities into letting to do it. But there are plenty of groups to stay on top of them and keep it from happening, in order to save our natural habitat.
Posted by Lisa Hill, Daytona Beach Real Estate (Florida Property Experts) over 11 years ago
This goes back to a Realtor's job of educating the public...whether it's talking with buyers, sellers, developers, etc.  We must share knowledge and facts such as this blog with as many as possible.  And if you cut down all the trees to establish high density neighborhoods there's not much left to hold the land together and prevent major erosion.  In Western NC there has been a lot more discussion regarding slopes and storm-water so we'll see where it leads. 
Posted by Corey Atherton (Suncadia Real Estate Sales Company) over 11 years ago

Right on, Lisa!..

so reverse landslides, eh?..Sink holes. Interesting.

 I heard that the Everglades (wetlands) used to be much larger than it is now...when you talk about developing on wetlands, are you referring to the Everglades..or(??)..and tell me how does a REALTOR in Florida work with this issue?

 

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago

Corey~

You wrote, " We must share knowledge and facts such as this blog with as many as possible." Good point ..and I agree. One of the great benefits of the AR network is just that...the sharing of knowledge and information.

You mentioned, " if you cut down all the trees to establish high density neighborhoods there's not much left to hold the land together and prevent major erosion.."

Obviously, you are one REALTOR in the know...are there others in your market area?...and how does your local Board of REALTORS regard this situation?..

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago

janeAnne

I am very impressed by your perspective in this post.  It's great to know someone else who shares a land ethic.

Have you read any books by Aldo Leopold or Edward Abbey?  

Posted by Ed Rybczynski, Your Source for Local Real Estate (Integrity Real Estate) over 11 years ago

Hello MM~

 

I liked what you quoted in your BLOG on the way we treat people. Obviously from your comment, your regard for disclosure in as focused. THX for your comment,
We should all be very conscientious about the hazards that face our communities. Full disclosure is mandatory."

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago

Ed~

Thanks for you comment. While I am familiar with both  Leopold and Abbey, my inspiration comes mmore from the works of Thomas Berry and William McDonough...

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago

Hi Janeanne:

I am waiting for the Geological Survey to complete the landslide map for Buncombe County. I think it will be a really useful tool in helping clients to decide where to look for property as well as build a home. I also hope that it guides Asheville and Buncombe County officials in developing a more comprehensive land use plan for these sensitive and potentially dangerous mountain slopes.   

Posted by Bill Westel, ECO (Eco-Steward Realty) over 11 years ago

Bill~ 

Do you have any idea about the timing on the completion?..or how REALTORS in your area might find out?

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago

JaneAnne,
Thank you for the followup questions and I will try to get more info about my local board's stance.  I do know they are keeping a close eye on any new slope/ridge laws and encouraging all Realtors to attend the public meetings and give input. 

Posted by Corey Atherton (Suncadia Real Estate Sales Company) over 11 years ago
I heard that it is supposed to be completed this year. Will have to check on how to access it once it becomes available. I presume there will be a website to go to.
Posted by Bill Westel, ECO (Eco-Steward Realty) over 11 years ago

A couple years ago I sold a new home on the hillside. The buyers were aware of the dangers, but proceded with the purchase. The home was embedded into rock with piers so it probably wasn't going anywhere.  What was interesting was the lack of disclosure. Apparently the builder dropped a tool off the cliff that fell below and broke the wind shield of a car on the street below.  After that they had to install netting to prevent further mishaps.

The builder didn't tell us, the neighbors did.  Someday I  hope builders are held to the same accountability we Realtors are held too.  A double standard isn't right. 

On a different vein (no pun intended) when I sold in Colorado Springs, it was always fun to watch the faces of buyers when you explained the 5 areas where homes were built over mines.   Most mines were not an issue, since they were old and very deep.  Occasionally a home would sink.  That's why we encouraged getting subsidence insurance.  ;) 

kk 

Posted by Kristal Kraft, Selling Metro Denver Real Estate - 303-589-2022 (The Berkshire Group Realtors) over 11 years ago
Hi JaneAnne, We don't have issues in Southern New Jersey with landslides- thankfully. Lots of Radon testing being done lately, and with all the rain this year many homeowners are getting wet basements, etc. These issues are usually addressed, and I always recommend full disclosure to all my sellers.
Posted by Diane Testa over 11 years ago

Kristal~

Ok, I just read your comment...now I will dream about "mining for houses"...What-if there were an earthquake in the area where the homes you mentioned were built? Just seems to me that ill-considered development will cost our clients in the long run. AND, as you say..."Someday I  hope builders are held to the same accountability we Realtors are held too.  A double standard isn't right. " 

Come to think of it...that might be just the "right" starting point!

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago

Corey~

I'll be anxious to read what you discover. So many REALTORS forget to check on what's happening down at City Council and at the local Board. (more on that in Part 3)

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago
I don't research hazards.  I refuse to work in the area that has them. 
Posted by ARDELL DellaLoggia (Better Properties Seattle ) over 11 years ago

HOORAY for janeAnne!

Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention.  In November, I listened to a presentation on landslides at the SAMAB conference.  I can't recall the Dr's name who's directing the study, however I HIGHLY RECOMMEND reviewing the following link. 

http://www.geology.enr.state.nc.us/Landslide_Info/Landslides_main.htm

Now - all of you - look at the third photograph from the top - the Maggie Valley community sitting on a
"debris fan" that is essentially deposits in a fan shape from 1000's of years of landslides and gradual erosion.  What the caption doesn't read is that the fan is actually moving as well.   Next - go drive around the mountain region and look at how many homes are located directly on such fans!  Not all are moving but many are.  Sad but true.  The earth is constantly changing, moving, always creating & destroying - its something to seriously think about. 

When this study is done - and its being done for Watauga / Buncombe / Macon which are experiencing the highest rates of development, a lot might change about what's acceptable to build on or not.  You'll be amazed to learn how many areas are activly moving even if its just a few inches a year.

Kevin Caldwel

Posted by Kevin Caldwell over 11 years ago

Diane~

 You mentioned radon...GOOD POINT! That is a natural hazard more prevalent in some parts of the USA than others...there is an EPA Map " to assist National, State, and local organizations to target their resources and to implement radon-resistant building codes."

Homes with elevated levels of radon have been found in all three zones. All homes should be tested regardless of geographic location. 

 

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago

Hi Kevin~ 

And welcome to Active Rain and to this discussion. Kevin is one of the resource people I was mentioning earlier. He is an ecologist. Now I am wondering if you run into areas you notice as landslide-prone in your surveying activities, Kevin...

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago

Ardell~ 

Having lived in Seattle and the Islands for 15 years, and having survived a huge earthquake, and the lingering aromas around Tacoma I now can say to you ..rrrrrright!

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago

Janeanne: I was just out on a piece of property yesterday and saw an example of a tree with a curved trunk. The homesite had been carved out of the mountain side and a huge retaining wall had been put in place under the homesite, but no protection above the site. I could see the potrential for a slide occurring.  

 

Kevin: Thanks for the site link!

Posted by Bill Westel, ECO (Eco-Steward Realty) over 11 years ago

Bill~

As I recall, I took a picture of a tree as per your description and posted it in one of my notes ...AHA! found it.... Here's that post giving landslide information and showing a tree with that ominous curved trunk.

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago
And thats exactly how the tree looked that I saw on the piece of property!
Posted by Bill Westel, ECO (Eco-Steward Realty) over 11 years ago
SO...have you discovered WHEN we will have a computerized locater map?  I may be able to check out the trees, but for sure, i'm no expert on-these matters...not unless you count the goosebumps that seems to appear when there is some hazard to consider...
Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago

Everyone~

I am writing Part 3 of this series. Look for it in the near future. Thanks to all who've commented on the series so far! Please let me know your thoughts on the subject.As I mentioned in the UPDATE...you can get a number of people together to discuss ideas for managing mountainside development, and they're likely to come up with a dozen or so different remedies... 

I'm hoping you can help us as we are wrestling with ideas for steep-slope development rules under pressure from the rapid pace at which builders are putting up homes on mountainsides...

 

Here's the full story

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) over 11 years ago

Bill~ 

It is a big-plus to be able to see what land offers just by having a clue when you look around at the trees.

Posted by . 4Terra Land Brokers .. 828-776-0779 Asheville NC, What's Most Important to YOU? Call(828)-776-0779 ( REAL ESTATE RESOURCES & NETWORK ) almost 11 years ago
Your right about that Janeanne. Client   always amazed and appreciative when this is pointed out to them. Sometimes those gorgeous mountain views can get in the way of seeing that certain pieces of land were not meant to be built on.
Posted by Bill Westel, ECO (Eco-Steward Realty) almost 11 years ago

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